It is an honor to be here. I appreciate you
attending this discussion on creation and evolution. I certainly
appreciate the good spirit I have always gotten when I've debated Terry
Prewitt. I'm glad that he is open-minded and we're going to try to
convert him today. He'd be a great asset to the creation side when
we get him converted over.
I was a high school science teacher. I taught
that for fifteen years and now for 10 years I've dedicated my life to traveling
all over the world and speaking on this topic: creation and evolution.
Like the Russian astronomer said, "Either there is a God or there isn't;
both possibilities are frightening." If
there is a God, we'd better find out who He is, and what He wants and
do as He says. If there isn't a God, we are in trouble, because we
are racing around the sun at sixty-six thousand miles per hour and nobody
is in charge. Frightening thought.
You know there are four great questions to this
life. Every religion in the world, including atheism, tries to answer
the four fundamental questions of life. The way you answer these
questions depends on the way you view the world and there are only two
choices: creation or evolution. [4 Choices Slide]
Now, if the evolution theory is
true, they say, "You know it is amazing a 'Big Bang' made this whole place
from nothing." That is the humanist world view that
says man is god. Now that is a very appealing religion because
you get to decide what is right and what is wrong; nobody tells you what
to do. That would be great to be your own god. Then
there are no rules.
The other way to look at the world is to say, "You
know it is an incredible design; there must be a designer." That
is the creationist world view, which says "God is God." And these
two worldviews are at war with each other as even Sir Arthur Keith said.
He wrote the forward to Darwin's reprint in 1959. And he believed
in evolution. He said, "Folks, these two views, these two philosophies,
these two world views are at war with each other." If the evolution
theory is true: Who am I? What am I worth? Well, if evolution
is true, you are nothing; you are nothing important. You are just
a piece of protoplasm that washed up on the beach and you are not worth
a thing. Matter of fact, you are probably the problem because you
are one of the polluters of the environment and the more of you we can
get rid of the better. That is normal thinking if evolution philosophy
is true, I believe. Where did I come from? Well, if evolution
is true, you came from a cosmic burp about 20 billion years ago.
Why am I here? What is the purpose of life? Well, if evolution
is true there is no purpose to life. You might as well have fun.
If it feels good, do it! Where am I going when I die? Well,
if evolution is true, you are just going to the grave and you're going
to get recycled into a worm or a plant. These two world views could
not be more opposite. The Bible says, "In
the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth." Folks, if that
verse is true, we'd better find out who He is and what He wants.
And I've decided that I'm going to do what God says to try to do for my
life, and I'm going to encourage you to do the same thing. If you
are here today and you're not a Christian, we would like to encourage you
to open your mind, just a little bit. We are going to try to show
you some evidence that this world was created, that it had to be designed
and that the evolution theory has no evidence of it whatsoever. We
offer a fourth of a million dollars for real scientific evidence for evolution.
We
think that evolution is a philosophy—it
is a religion—but it is not a science. Thank you.
I'm Terry Prewitt and I have been teaching
Evolution for something like 25 years. During the time I have been
engaged in that process, there have been tremendous changes in the fossil
record, and tremendous changes in our understanding of the processes through
which human origins (and the origins of all the specific kinds of life
on this planet, or
other life that we have ever encountered) are linked. We have
been presented already with a number of questions and although I'm not
going to respond directly to Kent on all the points at this point, I do
want to argue, at least, that rather than this being a 'yes or no,'
'design or no rules,' 'humans-are-of-no-importance
or humans-are-of-great-importance,' kind of black and white
question, I think there are many different levels of approach and of understanding;
and the one that I represent today more
than my even sort of deeper position, is the one of theistic evolution.
I am going to represent the theistic
evolutionary perspective today, in part because it would otherwise
not be represented, and this debate would appear to be a contest between
two sides when in fact it is a contest that involves many different elements
in a continuum of ideas and processes and thoughts that have gone on for
many centuries. I want to contend today… Ah well, I already have
two strikes against me, with at least part of the audience today, because
not only am
I an evolutionist but I am also a form critic and I understand that
form criticism and textual criticism in the Hebrew Bible and the Christian
Bible are not necessarily popular things in some circles. But I treat
God's text or what many would consider God's text as a human product.
It is a text about God and it is a text about the particular beliefs that
have given us the religious and many of the spiritual traditions of our
time. I live in a world where the Bible is considered God's text,
even if I don't treat it as my god's text. But I also argue that
the world Kent has already assumed that God created is also God's text,
and if we have an obligation to read the text of the Bible then we also
have an obligation to read the text of the world—and I don't believe that
Kent would disagree with me on that. And I will leave that as my
opening comment and I will come back in a little bit.
My name is Mike Schultz. I've been in this Creation thing for about seven years. I used to be a garbage man of all things, taking people's trash out, before I got saved, before I accepted Christ as my savior, like the Bible says--and I've always been interested in this topic. This is what kept me from being saved for twenty-three years of my life. And I got saved, then I really started to study this topic and realized that the Bible is true. I am not a theistic evolutionist, I believe that God created everything and did it [snaps his fingers] just like that. I don't think that God has to use mutations and billions of years. I think the Bible--if you read it clearly--very clearly says that God created everything in the beginning. I think Jesus put Adam and Eve, like Mark 10:6 says, at the beginning. I don't believe in any form of evolution. I'm here today because basically what II Peter 3:3 says. I'll show it up here on the board for you all. II Peter 3:3 basically says: "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts." I believe that this is going on today and it worries me. This is something that kept me from being saved for a long time. This is my first debate. I get to preach on this topic quite a bit. What worries me is the things that are presented in the text books have been proven to be false, some of them for over a hundred years, yet they are still being taught in our text books today. Today I am going to try and bring some of those up. I think this is the lie of the [end times]. Basically, the scoffers, the Bible says, are ignorant of three things:
1. The Creation
2. The Flood
3. The coming Judgment of God
II Peter 3:3-7
And
this poison is being taught right along side of science in our textbooks.
It is being portrayed as science but as Kent has already said, it is not
science at all. Many of these claims that are being taught everyday
have no scientific evidence. There is nothing behind them what so
ever. I'm afraid that when you are being taught that "you
are an animal and share
a common heritage with earthworms," that the end product will be like
this. [slide of punk rockers] And you don't have to live like
this. God created everybody in His image; He created you in His image.
He has a wonderful future for you.
Adolph
Hitler said "If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough,
the people will believe it." He also said "People are more likely
to believe a big lie than a small one." I believe that evolution
is that big lie and it has led a lot of people astray and it has definitely
been detrimental to science. God gave man a mind for science to draw
man to Him. And that is what happened in my case and I hope to represent
that side today. Thank you.
Well thanks for coming out today. My name is Nick Power, I teach
in the Philosophy department here at UWF. I'm not a biologist, and
certainly not a theologian. So all I hope to do today is to give
you some reasonable
grounds upon which you can make a decision, if you need to make a decision
about this issue. But I should say, by way of introductory comments,
this debate is kind of unfortunate, right? I mean this debate
needn't be--in
this room it needn't. But the broader cultural debate is
very unfortunate. It is very divisive and being fought out in school
classrooms and boards of education all over the country and that is at
the least divisive and unproductive. That is not where it ought to
be fought out. But it is being fought out there for a deeper reason,
I think. That's because our guests today here are threatening a Christian
world view much more than Darwin or Hume or any secular humanist ever did.
That's because if they are right, if they're on the right track, then Genesis,
and the account of Genesis, has to come over on scientific terms and go
into a lab and stand head to toe to the National Science Foundation and
all the universities and all the research institutes around the world who
are exploring and making progress on evolutionary terms and evolutionary
theory and refining that theory. Genesis has to stand up to all those
guys, and girls. And
I think you lose; I think that debate, if they are on the right track,
is a losing one. So if I was a Christian in this room, I'd be on
my side. Particularly on Terry's side and believe in theistic evolution.
Right? Just so you understand, theistic evolution, the view that…
it is a version of theism, and theism says that some divine power is required--some
supernatural force or divine power is required--to get this business we
call the universe rolling. But it needn't have done it in some account
as presented in Genesis and certainly needn't have made whole species out
of cloth or you and I out of mud and then blown a wind over us. No,
He's much more
subtle and much more supple supernatural force than that and that is
what I recommend to you all. For those of you Christians in the room,
I recommend theistic evolution and not creation Science. Thank you.